Comments on: Use Open WiFi - Go to Jail http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/ Internet Safety, Windows Updates, Internet News, and More Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:58:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Steven http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-1121780 Steven Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:46:15 +0000 /?p=820#comment-1121780 A vast majority of router manufacturer's have set their products firmware to be left open for easy setup and configuration. Most of them have provided the end user with a configuration utility (GUI) to assist the end user in properly securing and configuring their new device with their Internet Service Provider (ISP). If the end user decided that it wasn't in his/her best interests or time to enter the appropriate information in the GUI fields then it's clearly acknowledged to anyone within the radius of the property that they either don't mind or really don't have patience in their new device. Now that being said, any government shouldn't present any sort of law against anyone who has been provided free internet access via an open WIFI network. If that person somehow obtain confidential information within that network or computers and used it against the end user then they shall be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. But the sad thing it's not possible to obtain valuable evidence by someone who connected annonymously to an unsecured network with internet access. The law should some sort go after the manufacturers in provided hard cache program on the routers firmware that will keep a debug log for 30 to 60 days. That will definitely open a few law officers eyes and views on how to crack down on criminal activities via wardiving or open access control. By having this such implementation would definitely increase evidence for non-novice users accessing open networks. For sake you have an network engineer or programmer like me who has the understanding of technology and the security flaws that come within it. I would be able to bypass anysort of mac filtering or monitoring, device ID, Cookies, etc.. by providing that unit with a spoofed MAC Address and increase the security within mobile device. Technology Rule To Live By: ...You secure They Unsecure ...You secure to protect They unsecure to have access It's an ongoing process that will never stop. What we need to do is to learn the risks and prevent access to non-novice users. If you have any questions, Please feel to contact me directly: 1-888-883-8693 Website: www.ipclearnetworks.com Email: support@ipclearnetworks.com A vast majority of router manufacturer’s have set their products firmware to be left open for easy setup and configuration. Most of them have provided the end user with a configuration utility (GUI) to assist the end user in properly securing and configuring their new device with their Internet Service Provider (ISP). If the end user decided that it wasn’t in his/her best interests or time to enter the appropriate information in the GUI fields then it’s clearly acknowledged to anyone within the radius of the property that they either don’t mind or really don’t have patience in their new device. Now that being said, any government shouldn’t present any sort of law against anyone who has been provided free internet access via an open WIFI network. If that person somehow obtain confidential information within that network or computers and used it against the end user then they shall be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. But the sad thing it’s not possible to obtain valuable evidence by someone who connected annonymously to an unsecured network with internet access. The law should some sort go after the manufacturers in provided hard cache program on the routers firmware that will keep a debug log for 30 to 60 days. That will definitely open a few law officers eyes and views on how to crack down on criminal activities via wardiving or open access control. By having this such implementation would definitely increase evidence for non-novice users accessing open networks. For sake you have an network engineer or programmer like me who has the understanding of technology and the security flaws that come within it. I would be able to bypass anysort of mac filtering or monitoring, device ID, Cookies, etc.. by providing that unit with a spoofed MAC Address and increase the security within mobile device.

Technology Rule To Live By:

…You secure
They Unsecure
…You secure to protect
They unsecure to have access

It’s an ongoing process that will never stop. What we need to do is to learn the risks and prevent access to non-novice users.

If you have any questions, Please feel to contact me directly: 1-888-883-8693
Website: http://www.ipclearnetworks.com
Email: support@ipclearnetworks.com

]]> By: Andy http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-962810 Andy Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:33:19 +0000 /?p=820#comment-962810 I personally don't see how this should be seen as a crime. If your going to have a wireless network setup and not know how to secure it... it is your own fault for others accessing your internet. How the hell does someone not know how to secure their network but knows someone else is connected to their network... If you can access your router to see who is in your client list how hard is it to select the security option and set a password... dont bitch about someone taking your car if your going to leave the keys in it... its your own damn fault... secure it or give it away.. I personally don’t see how this should be seen as a crime. If your going to have a wireless network setup and not know how to secure it… it is your own fault for others accessing your internet. How the hell does someone not know how to secure their network but knows someone else is connected to their network… If you can access your router to see who is in your client list how hard is it to select the security option and set a password… dont bitch about someone taking your car if your going to leave the keys in it… its your own damn fault… secure it or give it away..

]]> By: kg http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-82010 kg Wed, 23 May 2007 16:55:54 +0000 /?p=820#comment-82010 so if I have a bad lock on my door you can still walk into my house. If i don't get the best lock? how about windows, can I open them in nice weather, or is that just asking for it? Felony is a bit harsh tho Personally I think having semi open wifi would be cool all around, restricted bandwidth firewalled from your network. If everyone had it, it would really make for a low cost wireless 'village' so if I have a bad lock on my door you can still walk into my house. If i don’t get the best lock? how about windows, can I open them in nice weather, or is that just asking for it?

Felony is a bit harsh tho

Personally I think having semi open wifi would be cool all around, restricted bandwidth firewalled from your network. If everyone had it, it would really make for a low cost wireless ‘village’

]]> By: why http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-52944 why Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:50:54 +0000 /?p=820#comment-52944 People can't we all get along. He committed the crime now he has to do the time. Barretta said this in his tv show. No matter if he took a line up to the man house and plugged it in a jack or sat in front of his house for hours, he is guilty. Next time learn the LAW of the land or you too will be in BIG trouble. Have a nice day! People can’t we all get along. He committed the crime now he has to do the time. Barretta said this in his tv show. No matter if he took a line up to the man house and plugged it in a jack or sat in front of his house for hours, he is guilty. Next time learn the LAW of the land or you too will be in BIG trouble. Have a nice day!

]]> By: Tom http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-51437 Tom Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:41:15 +0000 /?p=820#comment-51437 I think it's a joke they even did this. How can you charge someone for accessing an open Network? They need to charge the person with the open network NOT the person accessing it. I'd like to see how this ends up. I think it’s a joke they even did this. How can you charge someone for accessing an open Network? They need to charge the person with the open network NOT the person accessing it. I’d like to see how this ends up.

]]> By: Henry from Yakima http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-2169 Henry from Yakima Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:41:34 +0000 /?p=820#comment-2169 Stealing is stealing, but it requires intent. But a felony for using a wifi network. I set my laptop up in my truck when I travel. If I hit a wifi stop on a break, I check weather, traffic and road reports. Many times I don't know if this is a free service provided by the rest stop, coffee stop or whomever. If you don't secure your network, it's your problem. I would view if very differently if he hacked into the network! (BTW - My laptop also auto connects to unsecure networks.) Stealing is stealing, but it requires intent. But a felony for using a wifi network. I set my laptop up in my truck when I travel. If I hit a wifi stop on a break, I check weather, traffic and road reports. Many times I don’t know if this is a free service provided by the rest stop, coffee stop or whomever. If you don’t secure your network, it’s your problem. I would view if very differently if he hacked into the network!
(BTW - My laptop also auto connects to unsecure networks.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-2158 Anonymous Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:03:42 +0000 /?p=820#comment-2158 my notebook has a Wi-Fi finder that comes on when I power up. It's always looking to connect. In Florida it'd have me committing felonies constantly. my notebook has a Wi-Fi finder that comes on when I power up. It’s always looking to connect. In Florida it’d have me committing felonies constantly.

]]> By: MildBill http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-2155 MildBill Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:13:51 +0000 /?p=820#comment-2155 What some of the people who wrote in do not understand is that this casual user/surfer is being accused of a *felony*. This is not a silly misdemeanor or a simple fine. If this person is found guilty, he will be a convicted *felon*. I was recently in Atlanta and was staying with some Luddites with no Internet. I had to check my e-mail. What was I to do? I found a network two houses down. The owner caught me , but said it was OK. According to Florida's laws, *any* access to another person's WiFi network is a felony. That would include a walk through the local mall. Do not be too quick to judge this poor guy. He is in for a hellish ride through the legal system. The experience will scar him for the rest of his life. What some of the people who wrote in do not understand is that this casual user/surfer is being accused of a *felony*. This is not a silly misdemeanor or a simple fine. If this person is found guilty, he will be a convicted *felon*.

I was recently in Atlanta and was staying with some Luddites with no Internet. I had to check my e-mail. What was I to do? I found a network two houses down. The owner caught me , but said it was OK. According to Florida’s laws, *any* access to another person’s WiFi network is a felony. That would include a walk through the local mall.

Do not be too quick to judge this poor guy. He is in for a hellish ride through the legal system. The experience will scar him for the rest of his life.

]]> By: SkipAAA http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-2144 SkipAAA Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:59:04 +0000 /?p=820#comment-2144 It's a subscribed service. Every month I have a bunch of bills that I pay: water, cable/internet, gas, electric, etc. I've been been any kind of law student or law enforcement person, I'm just an average Joe in the United States trying to make a living. Last I knew, I thought it was illegal for any of those paid and subscribed services to be borrowed by any of my neighbors. Nobody runs a plumbing line, or a long electrical extension cord from my house, wired or not, because _I_ pay for the services, not them. Of course the most common is that people will (un)willingly share cable television/internet lines between residences. My local cable company actually checks and does audits to prevent this activity (thus ensuring they get paid for each person/residence using the service). I'm not implying that any/all service providers do this same practice, and especially wirelessly, it would be impossible. I maintain a secure wireless net at home. I installed it myself so it is my resposibilty to maintain it myself. There is nothing that can't be done without knowledge obtained by reading the included instruction manual, or help files provided with the hardware. I'm not a technician with a soldering iron replacing some voltage rectifiers inside the case of my wireless router. (I have changed my own oil in my car, byt my car's instruction manual doesn't include directions for me to recharge my air conditioning) RE: ED... provide the technology with instruction to use it safely and properly. If it BREAKS or fails to function properly, then take your car to a mechanic or replace it. If you leave the keys in your car with the windows down, shame on you. It's not right that I take your car (internet service) just don't make it easy for me to do so. It’s a subscribed service. Every month I have a bunch of bills that I pay: water, cable/internet, gas, electric, etc. I’ve been been any kind of law student or law enforcement person, I’m just an average Joe in the United States trying to make a living. Last I knew, I thought it was illegal for any of those paid and subscribed services to be borrowed by any of my neighbors. Nobody runs a plumbing line, or a long electrical extension cord from my house, wired or not, because _I_ pay for the services, not them. Of course the most common is that people will (un)willingly share cable television/internet lines between residences. My local cable company actually checks and does audits to prevent this activity (thus ensuring they get paid for each person/residence using the service). I’m not implying that any/all service providers do this same practice, and especially wirelessly, it would be impossible. I maintain a secure wireless net at home. I installed it myself so it is my resposibilty to maintain it myself. There is nothing that can’t be done without knowledge obtained by reading the included instruction manual, or help files provided with the hardware. I’m not a technician with a soldering iron replacing some voltage rectifiers inside the case of my wireless router. (I have changed my own oil in my car, byt my car’s instruction manual doesn’t include directions for me to recharge my air conditioning) RE: ED… provide the technology with instruction to use it safely and properly. If it BREAKS or fails to function properly, then take your car to a mechanic or replace it. If you leave the keys in your car with the windows down, shame on you. It’s not right that I take your car (internet service) just don’t make it easy for me to do so.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/use-open-wifi-go-to-jail/#comment-2137 anonymous Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:10:58 +0000 /?p=820#comment-2137 Leaving your WiFi open isn't like leaving the door to your house open, it's like putting your belongings on your front yard with a sign that says "free to a good home". Leaving your WiFi open isn’t like leaving the door to your house open, it’s like putting your belongings on your front yard with a sign that says “free to a good home”.

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