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		<title>By: elias</title>
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		<dc:creator>elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please Unsubscribe my email
please please please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please Unsubscribe my email<br />
please please please</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/to-unsubscribe-or-not-to-unsubscribe-that-is-the-question/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been an email administrator for many years, and in my experience, unsubscribing from messages reduces the amount of spam received. The CAN-SPAM act does not require senders to have permission before sending messages, so you might get something from a legitimate company that you did not request. A lot of the spam being sent that have ways of unsubscribing actually honor the requests. The ones that look sleazy probably are. It isn't really that hard to tell if it will work or not in most cases.

I have done the unsubscribe thing on behalf of people who have left the company I work for, and even for people who report spam that they probably asked for and are too lazy to opt-out of themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been an email administrator for many years, and in my experience, unsubscribing from messages reduces the amount of spam received. The CAN-SPAM act does not require senders to have permission before sending messages, so you might get something from a legitimate company that you did not request. A lot of the spam being sent that have ways of unsubscribing actually honor the requests. The ones that look sleazy probably are. It isn&#8217;t really that hard to tell if it will work or not in most cases.</p>
<p>I have done the unsubscribe thing on behalf of people who have left the company I work for, and even for people who report spam that they probably asked for and are too lazy to opt-out of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/to-unsubscribe-or-not-to-unsubscribe-that-is-the-question/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my book, never unsubscribe.  If your spam is anything like the spam I am getting their email addresses do not exist anyway.  The whole thing seems to me to be a waste of time, how could you buy from these people, not that you would, but how could you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my book, never unsubscribe.  If your spam is anything like the spam I am getting their email addresses do not exist anyway.  The whole thing seems to me to be a waste of time, how could you buy from these people, not that you would, but how could you?</p>
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		<title>By: Lanny Bender</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/to-unsubscribe-or-not-to-unsubscribe-that-is-the-question/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanny Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, there is one way guaranteed to stop spam.  We need to get the public to STOP BUYING THE CRAP IT ADVERTISES! 

Spam is so cheap to send, one paying customer covers the advertiser's cost for millions of Emails.  If we could just get everyone to ignore it, and not buy anything from the spammers, it really would go away.  As soon as it is not profitable, it will cease to exist.

We need a public service campaign that starts out "Let's face it, 100% of the stuff offered by spam-mail is utter CRAP.  There is no miracle weight loss formula. No herbal remedy is going to make this part longer or that part fuller.â€?  Advocate that people make a simple personal rule "If it was advertised in an [unasked-for] Email, don't buy it."  Period.  Ever.  If it really does sound like a product you canâ€™t live without or itâ€™s a great deal, search for it on Yahoo [or Google].  If the maker is actually trying to sell the product, they'll have a web presence [and you can buy it there, rather than in reply to the spam mail].

Spam exists because it works, simple as that.  Some percentage of people "do" respond to spam offers, and that's more than enough to keep the spammers in business.

When you get spammail, just delete it.  Don't reply to be "removed" from their list.  (It doesn't work.)  Don't send back a fake "bounce" or "bad addressâ€? message.  (It only helps spammers make their mailings more cost efficient.)  In fact don't do anything: Just delete the Email, preferably unread.  That--- and only that--- ensures that the spammer has just wasted a little money on you.

If enough people do this--- if enough people force spammers to waste a little money--- then the economics of spam will change, and it will no longer be lucrative.  When spammers no longer can make easy money by spamming, they'll stop and move on to the next scam.

Good spam filters can help you sort the spam for easy deletion.  Good legislation can help apply pressure to the spammers where they live.  But the ultimate solution to spam is to make it unprofitable.

Do your part to help drive the spammers out of business.  Take the pledge:  Never, ever, buy "anything" you see spamvertised!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, there is one way guaranteed to stop spam.  We need to get the public to STOP BUYING THE CRAP IT ADVERTISES! </p>
<p>Spam is so cheap to send, one paying customer covers the advertiser&#8217;s cost for millions of Emails.  If we could just get everyone to ignore it, and not buy anything from the spammers, it really would go away.  As soon as it is not profitable, it will cease to exist.</p>
<p>We need a public service campaign that starts out &#8220;Let&#8217;s face it, 100% of the stuff offered by spam-mail is utter CRAP.  There is no miracle weight loss formula. No herbal remedy is going to make this part longer or that part fuller.â€?  Advocate that people make a simple personal rule &#8220;If it was advertised in an [unasked-for] Email, don&#8217;t buy it.&#8221;  Period.  Ever.  If it really does sound like a product you canâ€™t live without or itâ€™s a great deal, search for it on Yahoo [or Google].  If the maker is actually trying to sell the product, they&#8217;ll have a web presence [and you can buy it there, rather than in reply to the spam mail].</p>
<p>Spam exists because it works, simple as that.  Some percentage of people &#8220;do&#8221; respond to spam offers, and that&#8217;s more than enough to keep the spammers in business.</p>
<p>When you get spammail, just delete it.  Don&#8217;t reply to be &#8220;removed&#8221; from their list.  (It doesn&#8217;t work.)  Don&#8217;t send back a fake &#8220;bounce&#8221; or &#8220;bad addressâ€? message.  (It only helps spammers make their mailings more cost efficient.)  In fact don&#8217;t do anything: Just delete the Email, preferably unread.  That&#8212; and only that&#8212; ensures that the spammer has just wasted a little money on you.</p>
<p>If enough people do this&#8212; if enough people force spammers to waste a little money&#8212; then the economics of spam will change, and it will no longer be lucrative.  When spammers no longer can make easy money by spamming, they&#8217;ll stop and move on to the next scam.</p>
<p>Good spam filters can help you sort the spam for easy deletion.  Good legislation can help apply pressure to the spammers where they live.  But the ultimate solution to spam is to make it unprofitable.</p>
<p>Do your part to help drive the spammers out of business.  Take the pledge:  Never, ever, buy &#8220;anything&#8221; you see spamvertised!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/to-unsubscribe-or-not-to-unsubscribe-that-is-the-question/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why don't you have a link to this study?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why don&#8217;t you have a link to this study?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Castelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Castelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great discussions on this thread.  

I am the primary developer for LashBack and our system does exactly what this last post suggests.  

Our product integrates with Outlook and Outlook Express and provides a safe alternative to the delete key that will actually reduce the amount of spam you receive.  When someone receives a spam email message, they can click the LashBack button rather than the delete key.   This sends the email to our servers where we collect all the data about the message and send out a unique probe email address to the unsubscribe mechanism and wait and listen. If we start getting email to this address, we know the party is abusing the request. We will then make sure all other reports containing the same unsubscribe link or advertised domains are not processed for unsubscribe.  If we do not get email to the probe after a waiting period, we automatically process the unsubscribe request for the reported email.  Thus getting the good of part of unsubscribe without getting the bad.

Because of the way the system works, our database is able to tell us what unsubscribe links are misused and what advertised domains are associated with these links.  We have already met with the FTC in person and are working with them to provide data to them in a format that can be used for prosecution.  

In case you are interested in seeing some of our data, you can visit http://www.lashback.com/abuse.    We have a list of abused unsubscribe links here and the advertised domains associated with them.

Eric Castelli
LashBack LLC
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great discussions on this thread.  </p>
<p>I am the primary developer for LashBack and our system does exactly what this last post suggests.  </p>
<p>Our product integrates with Outlook and Outlook Express and provides a safe alternative to the delete key that will actually reduce the amount of spam you receive.  When someone receives a spam email message, they can click the LashBack button rather than the delete key.   This sends the email to our servers where we collect all the data about the message and send out a unique probe email address to the unsubscribe mechanism and wait and listen. If we start getting email to this address, we know the party is abusing the request. We will then make sure all other reports containing the same unsubscribe link or advertised domains are not processed for unsubscribe.  If we do not get email to the probe after a waiting period, we automatically process the unsubscribe request for the reported email.  Thus getting the good of part of unsubscribe without getting the bad.</p>
<p>Because of the way the system works, our database is able to tell us what unsubscribe links are misused and what advertised domains are associated with these links.  We have already met with the FTC in person and are working with them to provide data to them in a format that can be used for prosecution.  </p>
<p>In case you are interested in seeing some of our data, you can visit <a href="http://www.lashback.com/abuse" rel="nofollow">http://www.lashback.com/abuse</a>.    We have a list of abused unsubscribe links here and the advertised domains associated with them.</p>
<p>Eric Castelli<br />
LashBack LLC</p>
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		<title>By: Egamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Egamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to see Aunty Spam (or someone) collect unsuscribe links, open a new e-mail account for each link, and see which ones create spam.
example:
domain: optinrealbig.net
e-mail: optinrealbignet@theinternetpatrol.com

unsuscribe when  you never were suscribed in the first place...and with the spam rolls in, you could report them to the FTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see Aunty Spam (or someone) collect unsuscribe links, open a new e-mail account for each link, and see which ones create spam.<br />
example:<br />
domain: optinrealbig.net<br />
e-mail: <a href="mailto:optinrealbignet@theinternetpatrol.com">optinrealbignet@theinternetpatrol.com</a></p>
<p>unsuscribe when  you never were suscribed in the first place&#8230;and with the spam rolls in, you could report them to the FTC.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do broadcast e-mailing to the members of our trade association. If I had $1 for every one of our members (particularly those on AOL) who mark our newsletters as SPAM because they didn't bother to read it, or because they want to unsubscribe but can't be bothered to click the link, I could retire.

Surely, most of us are intelligent enough to know REAL spam from e-mail received from vendors we're no longer interested in, and can make our choices accordingly?

Getting our newsletters blacklisted because some users don't "play by the rules" hurts our OTHER members more then it helps the lazy ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do broadcast e-mailing to the members of our trade association. If I had $1 for every one of our members (particularly those on AOL) who mark our newsletters as SPAM because they didn&#8217;t bother to read it, or because they want to unsubscribe but can&#8217;t be bothered to click the link, I could retire.</p>
<p>Surely, most of us are intelligent enough to know REAL spam from e-mail received from vendors we&#8217;re no longer interested in, and can make our choices accordingly?</p>
<p>Getting our newsletters blacklisted because some users don&#8217;t &#8220;play by the rules&#8221; hurts our OTHER members more then it helps the lazy ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've actually been having a lot of success with this, since January I have been both at home and among those in my office, getting people to unsubscribe - it's true, a lot of them don't have the links, but so far the volume of unwanted mail is dropping quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been having a lot of success with this, since January I have been both at home and among those in my office, getting people to unsubscribe - it&#8217;s true, a lot of them don&#8217;t have the links, but so far the volume of unwanted mail is dropping quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment is regarding the Lashback survey??   My comment is B******T!  Never ever try to unsubscribe, because you will be hit with at least 3 new spams...and that's from personal experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment is regarding the Lashback survey??   My comment is B******T!  Never ever try to unsubscribe, because you will be hit with at least 3 new spams&#8230;and that&#8217;s from personal experience.</p>
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