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	<title>Comments on: The Truth About AOL&#8217;s &#8220;Email Tax&#8221; and GoodMail</title>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/the-truth-about-aols-email-tax-and-goodmail/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither Goodmail nor Bonded Sender is purely "pay to play."  They're both pay-to-get-accredited.  Both have terms of use that prohibit things like address harvesting, that require working unsubscribes, that stipulate a maximum level of complaints.  Just paying up isn't going to get you on either list.  You have to maintain some responsibility in your email practices, or you're going to get kicked off.  (Personally, I think the bar is set too low -- among other things, &lt;em&gt;confirmed&lt;/em&gt; opt-in should be a requirement, not just unconfirmed -- but on the other hand, I don't think Move On would qualify.)

If Goodmail enforces its TOS, any spammers that sign up will get dropped once the complaints start coming in, and AOL will not be making money off the spam.

So basically, the argument boils down to the assumption that Goodmail will either change or not enforce its terms of service and water down any advantage its tokens have as a non-spam sign, leading to complaints from end users who receive more spam, then go to other ISPs, resulting in a net loss of income for AOL.  This is like assuming a security company is going to get in bed with bank robbers.  Once someone notices that the banks you guard get robbed more often, your credibility -- and your business -- is shot.  Of course, businesses do stupider things all the time, so who knows?

Disclosure: I'm a member of the EFF, but I disagree with the official position on this one.  I don't work for AOL or Yahoo, but I do manage the spam filters for a small ISP (and no, we're not likely to sign up with Goodmail anytime soon).  You might find it surprising, but while there's plenty of griping about AOL's treatment of incoming mail in general, the anti-spam community as a whole (or at least the lists and sites that I read) doesn't seem to be up in arms over the Goodmail deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Goodmail nor Bonded Sender is purely &#8220;pay to play.&#8221;  They&#8217;re both pay-to-get-accredited.  Both have terms of use that prohibit things like address harvesting, that require working unsubscribes, that stipulate a maximum level of complaints.  Just paying up isn&#8217;t going to get you on either list.  You have to maintain some responsibility in your email practices, or you&#8217;re going to get kicked off.  (Personally, I think the bar is set too low &#8212; among other things, <em>confirmed</em> opt-in should be a requirement, not just unconfirmed &#8212; but on the other hand, I don&#8217;t think Move On would qualify.)</p>
<p>If Goodmail enforces its TOS, any spammers that sign up will get dropped once the complaints start coming in, and AOL will not be making money off the spam.</p>
<p>So basically, the argument boils down to the assumption that Goodmail will either change or not enforce its terms of service and water down any advantage its tokens have as a non-spam sign, leading to complaints from end users who receive more spam, then go to other ISPs, resulting in a net loss of income for AOL.  This is like assuming a security company is going to get in bed with bank robbers.  Once someone notices that the banks you guard get robbed more often, your credibility &#8212; and your business &#8212; is shot.  Of course, businesses do stupider things all the time, so who knows?</p>
<p>Disclosure: I&#8217;m a member of the EFF, but I disagree with the official position on this one.  I don&#8217;t work for AOL or Yahoo, but I do manage the spam filters for a small ISP (and no, we&#8217;re not likely to sign up with Goodmail anytime soon).  You might find it surprising, but while there&#8217;s plenty of griping about AOL&#8217;s treatment of incoming mail in general, the anti-spam community as a whole (or at least the lists and sites that I read) doesn&#8217;t seem to be up in arms over the Goodmail deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Siouxie</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/the-truth-about-aols-email-tax-and-goodmail/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>Siouxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelson,  how can an ISP that makes money off of spam instead of actively fighting spam,  be a "Good Mail"?  As one of the more than 5,000,000 petition signers to AOL,  it's the future we're thinking of.  How long before the free spam detector you enjoy now no longer is free?  You have to pay and keep paying for constant updates because the technology keeps finding ways to get around it and your ISP is helping them.  If one ISP is going to make money doing it,  others are going to follow suit.  AOL broke down and agreed not to charge non-profit organizations the other day.  How nice of them. The name of the game is PROFIT.  And I think we all have a good idea where the Free Internet will be left when PROFIT becomes the name of the game when ISP's can make more money from spammers than they can from their customers.  I encourage anyone to go to the Move On.org website and read the open letter to AOL.  I think it makes pretty good sense.  And Aunty?  As a fighter against spam,(?) how much did AOL pay you for this one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelson,  how can an ISP that makes money off of spam instead of actively fighting spam,  be a &#8220;Good Mail&#8221;?  As one of the more than 5,000,000 petition signers to AOL,  it&#8217;s the future we&#8217;re thinking of.  How long before the free spam detector you enjoy now no longer is free?  You have to pay and keep paying for constant updates because the technology keeps finding ways to get around it and your ISP is helping them.  If one ISP is going to make money doing it,  others are going to follow suit.  AOL broke down and agreed not to charge non-profit organizations the other day.  How nice of them. The name of the game is PROFIT.  And I think we all have a good idea where the Free Internet will be left when PROFIT becomes the name of the game when ISP&#8217;s can make more money from spammers than they can from their customers.  I encourage anyone to go to the Move On.org website and read the open letter to AOL.  I think it makes pretty good sense.  And Aunty?  As a fighter against spam,(?) how much did AOL pay you for this one?</p>
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		<title>By: Namora</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/the-truth-about-aols-email-tax-and-goodmail/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Namora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the last several years I have become very leery of folks saying "this is for your own good or trust me on this. We are now embroiled in an untenable occupation in the middle east, known throughout the world as torturers, justly or not, and now for ignoreing the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Like the furor over port security this was another thing to mis-trust without knowing anything about it. This explanation helps me to turn down my paranoia a few notches but I still don't understand how this is good for me. Someone paying a fee to stuff my mailbox still don't seem right but there are truly much more important things to puzzle over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last several years I have become very leery of folks saying &#8220;this is for your own good or trust me on this. We are now embroiled in an untenable occupation in the middle east, known throughout the world as torturers, justly or not, and now for ignoreing the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Like the furor over port security this was another thing to mis-trust without knowing anything about it. This explanation helps me to turn down my paranoia a few notches but I still don&#8217;t understand how this is good for me. Someone paying a fee to stuff my mailbox still don&#8217;t seem right but there are truly much more important things to puzzle over.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/the-truth-about-aols-email-tax-and-goodmail/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that services like Bonded Sender would be vulnerable to spammers who are clever enough to register with the service and pay the fee. Even with the added cost of being "bonded," wouldn't the spammers still reap greater profits because they wouldn't end up in the Junk Mail folder? I think ISPs should consider supplementing or replacing "pay to play" services like this with IP-based sender reputation scoring. The technology is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that services like Bonded Sender would be vulnerable to spammers who are clever enough to register with the service and pay the fee. Even with the added cost of being &#8220;bonded,&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t the spammers still reap greater profits because they wouldn&#8217;t end up in the Junk Mail folder? I think ISPs should consider supplementing or replacing &#8220;pay to play&#8221; services like this with IP-based sender reputation scoring. The technology is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to explain this the other day on Slashdot.  I even linked to the 2-year-old Slashdot story on Hotmail and Bonded Sender. I got modded down as a troll.

How do you explain what's really going on to people who don't want to listen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to explain this the other day on Slashdot.  I even linked to the 2-year-old Slashdot story on Hotmail and Bonded Sender. I got modded down as a troll.</p>
<p>How do you explain what&#8217;s really going on to people who don&#8217;t want to listen?</p>
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