Comments on: Man Charged with Theft of Services for Using Free Wifi at Coffee Shop in for a Brewed Awakening http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening Internet Safety, Windows Updates, Internet News, and More Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:50:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Ashley Lenartson http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-624194 Ashley Lenartson Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:52:48 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-624194 Well, it may be rude for this guy to do this but he could have bought a cup of coffee to go with the FREE WI-FI Connection. That is what I would occassionally do just to get the FREE SERVICE. Too bad a coffee barista from hell had to do this to the poor guy. He can come over to my house and use my FREE WI-FI provided that he puts out while doing it. Otherwise, I am going to have to call the POLICE and deal with it that way and I DEMAND HE LEAVE after the CRIMINAL TRESPASS. I wonder if he was cute and have a big schwanz? You know there is nothing like a man with a big schwanz to make my day. NOTHING LIKE it EXCEPT MAYBE FOR RUNNING TO GET THOSE ENDORPHINS GOING. Have a nice day. And, BEWARE OF THE COFFEE BARISTAS FROM HELL, MALE OR FEMALE. FEMALES CAN BE SUCH BITCHES. Well, it may be rude for this guy to do this but he could have bought a cup of coffee to go with the FREE WI-FI Connection. That is what I would occassionally do just to get the FREE SERVICE. Too bad a coffee barista from hell had to do this to the poor guy. He can come over to my house and use my FREE WI-FI provided that he puts out while doing it. Otherwise, I am going to have to call the POLICE and deal with it that way and I DEMAND HE LEAVE after the CRIMINAL TRESPASS. I wonder if he was cute and have a big schwanz? You know there is nothing like a man with a big schwanz to make my day. NOTHING LIKE it EXCEPT MAYBE FOR RUNNING TO GET THOSE ENDORPHINS GOING. Have a nice day. And, BEWARE OF THE COFFEE BARISTAS FROM HELL, MALE OR FEMALE. FEMALES CAN BE SUCH BITCHES.

]]> By: Ec http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-141549 Ec Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:07:12 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-141549 Well this is becoming less a issue now with municipal wifi, with AP's on telephone poles every 2 blocks. So all the coffee shops out there who use wireless as a gimmick to attract customers, Better learn to make good tasting coffee. Well this is becoming less a issue now with municipal wifi, with AP’s on telephone poles every 2 blocks. So all the coffee shops out there who use wireless as a gimmick to attract customers, Better learn to make good tasting coffee.

]]> By: Kamen http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-127595 Kamen Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:17:13 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-127595 A warning by the police cannot be considered fair if there was no crime committed, and it has already been established that this is a false accusation. You cannot steal something being given away for free. A warning by the police cannot be considered fair if there was no crime committed, and it has already been established that this is a false accusation. You cannot steal something being given away for free.

]]> By: wutang56 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-91972 wutang56 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:30:11 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-91972 The idiot had it coming, he had a fair warning by the police and decided he could get away with it again. The idiot had it coming, he had a fair warning by the police and decided he could get away with it again.

]]> By: Jim http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-82998 Jim Fri, 25 May 2007 18:32:25 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-82998 Wi-Fi access points are regulated under part 15 of the FCC regulations and users (the coffee shop) who operate in part 15 wireless device have no rights. However, if they were to lock their access points down and the user unlocked it, than that could be constued as theft of service or invasion of privacy. Also, part 15 users in the Wi-Fi band, are secondary to part 97 users that are amateurs. An amateur radio operator has the right to request a part 15 wi-fi operator that is using channels 1-6 to cease and desist their operation, if they are interfering. Wi-Fi access points are regulated under part 15 of the FCC regulations and users (the coffee shop) who operate in part 15 wireless device have no rights. However, if they were to lock their access points down and the user unlocked it, than that could be constued as theft of service or invasion of privacy. Also, part 15 users in the Wi-Fi band, are secondary to part 97 users that are amateurs. An amateur radio operator has the right to request a part 15 wi-fi operator that is using channels 1-6 to cease and desist their operation, if they are interfering.

]]> By: Spooky http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-10295 Spooky Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:04:15 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-10295 Everyone is right in saying that a Coffee Shop must post it's Wi-Fi restrictions either on the buildng in plain sight or on the banner page of the wi-fi access page. Everyone is wrong who thinks that a wi-fi transciever is just listening. It is transmitting to right to the coffee shops router taking up valuable bandwidth paying customers and employees could be using. Super-8, StarBucks, and Panera Bread don't do this as it is stupid to worry about one wardriver in the parking lot - unless he is doing VOIP - that's a BW-HOG! However, he is taking up a parking place in front that authorized folks could be using. Most Wi-Fi beams are better in the front of those coffee shops versus in the back or out on the main road. The "theft of service" beef won't hold up in court. The cop was just trying to think outside the box. However, all merchantile operations resever the right to refuse service to ANYBODY they want, including Wi-Fi service. All she really needed to do was to either go to the router's net admin control panel on her PC and disconnect the most lowest signal within range. If she nailed a paying customer she could just apologize. Or she could have expelled him from the parking lot as a "personna non grata" and ban him the way Wal-Mart bans shoplifters for life. Then its called "criminal trespassing". And she could have banned his Media Access Control (MAC) address too. But it is stupid to ban wardrivers as they are future customers. One day when he's hungry enuf', cold enuf', or needs to take a leak, he'll come in and probably buy something. No she just made an global wardriver enemy. (Wardriver is a Wi-Fi term of art). Everyone is right in saying that a Coffee Shop must post it’s Wi-Fi restrictions either on the buildng in plain sight or on the banner page of the wi-fi access page. Everyone is wrong who thinks that a wi-fi transciever is just listening. It is transmitting to right to the coffee shops router taking up valuable bandwidth paying customers and employees could be using. Super-8, StarBucks, and Panera Bread don’t do this as it is stupid to worry about one wardriver in the parking lot - unless he is doing VOIP - that’s a BW-HOG! However, he is taking up a parking place in front that authorized folks could be using. Most Wi-Fi beams are better in the front of those coffee shops versus in the back or out on the main road.

The “theft of service” beef won’t hold up in court. The cop was just trying to think outside the box. However, all merchantile operations resever the right to refuse service to ANYBODY they want, including Wi-Fi service. All she really needed to do was to either go to the router’s net admin control panel on her PC and disconnect the most lowest signal within range. If she nailed a paying customer she could just apologize. Or she could have expelled him from the parking lot as a “personna non grata” and ban him the way Wal-Mart bans shoplifters for life. Then its called “criminal trespassing”. And she could have banned his Media Access Control (MAC) address too.

But it is stupid to ban wardrivers as they are future customers. One day when he’s hungry enuf’, cold enuf’, or needs to take a leak, he’ll come in and probably buy something. No she just made an global wardriver enemy. (Wardriver is a Wi-Fi term of art).

]]> By: Courtney http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-9523 Courtney Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:50:10 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-9523 It's interesting that most people are siding with this freeloader. I'm also bothered by the posting by the individual whose post makes the claim that it's not causing harm. This is untrue. He's taking up bandwidth. This makes the internet run more slowly for the paying customers inside. Also, the people asking why the coffeeshop doesn't protect it's signal obviously don't know a whole lot about wi-fi. In order to do that, they'd probably have to implement a pay-as-you-go system like Starbucks does. And personally, I avoid places like that at all costs. It’s interesting that most people are siding with this freeloader. I’m also bothered by the posting by the individual whose post makes the claim that it’s not causing harm. This is untrue. He’s taking up bandwidth. This makes the internet run more slowly for the paying customers inside. Also, the people asking why the coffeeshop doesn’t protect it’s signal obviously don’t know a whole lot about wi-fi. In order to do that, they’d probably have to implement a pay-as-you-go system like Starbucks does. And personally, I avoid places like that at all costs.

]]> By: RRAINER http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-6214 RRAINER Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:16:00 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-6214 He should at least buy a coffee. While I have never used any wifi any place I think its nice for people who do. Hope this cheapskate dosn't ruin it for others. He should at least buy a coffee. While I have never used any wifi any place I think its nice for people who do. Hope this cheapskate dosn’t ruin it for others.

]]> By: RRegene http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-6186 RRegene Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:32:19 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-6186 The theft charges will be difficult. He could have been charged with loitering, esp if the police had previously told him to stop. If I had a business and an individual was parking outside regularly I would assume they were "casing" the place prior to robbing it. The theft charges will be difficult. He could have been charged with loitering, esp if the police had previously told him to stop. If I had a business and an individual was parking outside regularly I would assume they were “casing” the place prior to robbing it.

]]> By: Sheriffdave http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening#comment-6062 Sheriffdave Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:05:50 +0000 http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/?p=1361#comment-6062 Stop defending the thief,because that is what he is. The store owner provided the service for customers, to bring them in, TO BUY SOMETHING! If you believe all the crap you say than you pay the store owners bill for the service and tell everyone it is free. Theives can always justify their actions, and that is all your doing by saying he has done nothing wrong. Sadly, morals seem to matter less and less to the younger people anymore. As long as I don't get caught is the only moral you have. All he needed to do was go in and buy a cookie, soda, coffee, etc once a week and there would be no problem. He is a theif and the coffee shop owner called him on it. He didn't learn the first time and now is gonna face what HE CREATED! Stop defending the thief,because that is what he is.
The store owner provided the service for customers, to bring them in, TO BUY SOMETHING!
If you believe all the crap you say than you pay the store owners bill for the service and tell everyone it is free.
Theives can always justify their actions, and that is all your doing by saying he has done nothing wrong.
Sadly, morals seem to matter less and less to the younger people anymore. As long as I don’t get caught is the only moral you have.
All he needed to do was go in and buy a cookie, soda, coffee, etc once a week and there would be no problem.
He is a theif and the coffee shop owner called him on it. He didn’t learn the first time and now is gonna face what HE CREATED!

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