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	<title>Comments on: Is Having Cyber Sex Cheating if You are Married?</title>
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		<title>By: queenofthedamned</title>
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		<dc:creator>queenofthedamned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take it,that is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take it,that is?</p>
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		<title>By: queenofthedamned</title>
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		<dc:creator>queenofthedamned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where is the harm,huh? when he obviously aint don juan himself,able 2 satisfy any n every woman someone is gonna anticlimax while waitin 4 his attention to return.well he aint superman either so u pay 4 the 'fun' w unfufilled needs. his 'innosent game' leaves u w/o 4 real. who's gettin it? would u, if not u?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is the harm,huh? when he obviously aint don juan himself,able 2 satisfy any n every woman someone is gonna anticlimax while waitin 4 his attention to return.well he aint superman either so u pay 4 the &#8216;fun&#8217; w unfufilled needs. his &#8216;innosent game&#8217; leaves u w/o 4 real. who&#8217;s gettin it? would u, if not u?</p>
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		<title>By: CAROL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAROL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's happening to me right now! I feel hurt, mad and abused.  I just had one of my breast removed and all of a sudden my 36-years of devotion to him does not matter. The new cyber woman is all he cares about. Exchanges pictures, gifts, email cards every day it does not stop.  I even e-mailed her to leave him alone but she doesn't care either she enjoys the cyber sex with him &#38; will not give him up
I told him to stop but he says he is doing nothing wrong Well it makes me sick he should be there for me like I have been there for him all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s happening to me right now! I feel hurt, mad and abused.  I just had one of my breast removed and all of a sudden my 36-years of devotion to him does not matter. The new cyber woman is all he cares about. Exchanges pictures, gifts, email cards every day it does not stop.  I even e-mailed her to leave him alone but she doesn&#8217;t care either she enjoys the cyber sex with him &amp; will not give him up<br />
I told him to stop but he says he is doing nothing wrong Well it makes me sick he should be there for me like I have been there for him all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Girard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Girard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people are still with the first person they had a long term relationship with? My guess is next to zero. 
Does the number really change if you group the people by poly vs mono, straight vs bi vs homo, christian vs any/all other religions vs no religion, or any other grouping? I doubt it.

And while I agree with Russell that there is a difference between "cyber love" and "cyber sex", I view cyber sex (with someone your not in love with) to be on par with masturbation, meaning pretty much harmless if it is not interfering with the real life relationship. 
Look at it this way, if one person is not able to see their partner(s)  for an extended period of time, and chooses to find a little sexual relief by having cyber sex with some random stranger in a chat room, who is harmed? Is it in any way different then running the same scene through their brain while picturing the hottie they saw walking down the street? For all they know they are chatting with a 'bot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people are still with the first person they had a long term relationship with? My guess is next to zero.<br />
Does the number really change if you group the people by poly vs mono, straight vs bi vs homo, christian vs any/all other religions vs no religion, or any other grouping? I doubt it.</p>
<p>And while I agree with Russell that there is a difference between &#8220;cyber love&#8221; and &#8220;cyber sex&#8221;, I view cyber sex (with someone your not in love with) to be on par with masturbation, meaning pretty much harmless if it is not interfering with the real life relationship.<br />
Look at it this way, if one person is not able to see their partner(s)  for an extended period of time, and chooses to find a little sexual relief by having cyber sex with some random stranger in a chat room, who is harmed? Is it in any way different then running the same scene through their brain while picturing the hottie they saw walking down the street? For all they know they are chatting with a &#8216;bot.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are smashing 2 issues into one questions. What you are describing at length is what I think should be termed "cyber love". Cyber sex to me is what you originally described, 2 people talking about and describing sexual fantasies and actions to another. Cyber love would be cheating and a clear indication that the marriage is over. Cyber sex is another form of pr0n and indicates that there are problems in the marriage. That means your survey is misleading in many ways. IMHO:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are smashing 2 issues into one questions. What you are describing at length is what I think should be termed &#8220;cyber love&#8221;. Cyber sex to me is what you originally described, 2 people talking about and describing sexual fantasies and actions to another. Cyber love would be cheating and a clear indication that the marriage is over. Cyber sex is another form of pr0n and indicates that there are problems in the marriage. That means your survey is misleading in many ways. IMHO:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Minx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprisingly, I'm with Amy on this one. Not only has monogamy "never proven to be a successful safeguard against jealousy or divorce," as Amy points out, but statistically, more monogamous marriages fail than succeed. So I disagree that the comparison between smoking as risky behavior and practicing nonmonogamy as risky behavior is accurate. The risky behavior here is being in a relationship at all--any committed relationship requires a high level of honesty, constant work and emotional commitment, no matter what the configuration. Let that go, and yes, your partner, whether monogamous or poly, will probably drift away and find someone else as the miscommunications between you mount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprisingly, I&#8217;m with Amy on this one. Not only has monogamy &#8220;never proven to be a successful safeguard against jealousy or divorce,&#8221; as Amy points out, but statistically, more monogamous marriages fail than succeed. So I disagree that the comparison between smoking as risky behavior and practicing nonmonogamy as risky behavior is accurate. The risky behavior here is being in a relationship at all&#8211;any committed relationship requires a high level of honesty, constant work and emotional commitment, no matter what the configuration. Let that go, and yes, your partner, whether monogamous or poly, will probably drift away and find someone else as the miscommunications between you mount.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett Haselton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennett Haselton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the vote choices raises an interesting question:
"Is having cyber sex (online sex) cheating on your spouse or mate?"
"Not if they know and are ok with it."

Is *any* kind of sex outside of marriage really "cheating" if your spouse "knows about it and is OK with it"?  The phrasing of the question implies that this is something particular to cybersex.  But I voted for that choice because I don't see how anything could be considered "cheating" if your spouse lets you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the vote choices raises an interesting question:<br />
&#8220;Is having cyber sex (online sex) cheating on your spouse or mate?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Not if they know and are ok with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is *any* kind of sex outside of marriage really &#8220;cheating&#8221; if your spouse &#8220;knows about it and is OK with it&#8221;?  The phrasing of the question implies that this is something particular to cybersex.  But I voted for that choice because I don&#8217;t see how anything could be considered &#8220;cheating&#8221; if your spouse lets you :)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I respect you as well. 

Please consider that there are people who thrive within consensual,honest  nonmonogamous relationships. Therefore, comparing this legitimate preference to a disease (or to a disease-causing agent) is at least problematic, and at worst offensive.

Any relationship choice that is outside the social norm faces a lot of pressures that conventional relationships do not. In my experience, people who do conform to social norms in their relationships tend to underestimate those pressures -- and thus perpetuate them.

Also, monogamy has never proven to be a successful safeguard against jealousy or divorce. Although it's held up by our society as the ideal, in practice it often fails to deliver or satisfy. In fact, a good argument can be made that  making monogamy the societal default for committed intimate relationships is a recipe for dishonesty, broken homes, and rampant dissatisfaction.

It all depends on how you look at it. And that's my point: there are very different and valid ways to look at the issue of monogamy. The wording of this poll and its lengthy setup does not appear to recognize that. 

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I respect you as well. </p>
<p>Please consider that there are people who thrive within consensual,honest  nonmonogamous relationships. Therefore, comparing this legitimate preference to a disease (or to a disease-causing agent) is at least problematic, and at worst offensive.</p>
<p>Any relationship choice that is outside the social norm faces a lot of pressures that conventional relationships do not. In my experience, people who do conform to social norms in their relationships tend to underestimate those pressures &#8212; and thus perpetuate them.</p>
<p>Also, monogamy has never proven to be a successful safeguard against jealousy or divorce. Although it&#8217;s held up by our society as the ideal, in practice it often fails to deliver or satisfy. In fact, a good argument can be made that  making monogamy the societal default for committed intimate relationships is a recipe for dishonesty, broken homes, and rampant dissatisfaction.</p>
<p>It all depends on how you look at it. And that&#8217;s my point: there are very different and valid ways to look at the issue of monogamy. The wording of this poll and its lengthy setup does not appear to recognize that. </p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that not all marriages are or should be monogamous, I also think it's kind of like smoking and cancer. 

Here's what I mean: smoking often causes cancer and heart disease, but not everyone who smokes will get one of those diseases.

Similarly, open marriages (real or virtual) are possible, but in most cases they end up in divorce because one spouse becomes a little too attached to a third partner.

So, just like it's usually a bad idea to smoke because of the risks associated with it, I believe it's generally a bad idea to introduce swinging to the marriage.

Doesn't mean swinging (or in this case cybersex) is bad per se, just risky to the overall health of the marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that not all marriages are or should be monogamous, I also think it&#8217;s kind of like smoking and cancer. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I mean: smoking often causes cancer and heart disease, but not everyone who smokes will get one of those diseases.</p>
<p>Similarly, open marriages (real or virtual) are possible, but in most cases they end up in divorce because one spouse becomes a little too attached to a third partner.</p>
<p>So, just like it&#8217;s usually a bad idea to smoke because of the risks associated with it, I believe it&#8217;s generally a bad idea to introduce swinging to the marriage.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean swinging (or in this case cybersex) is bad per se, just risky to the overall health of the marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've told you this privately, but I'm really disappointed that you decided to run this poll.

I cringe when I see polls like that, because of the assumptions they imply. First of all, that all marriages are necessarily monogamous (many aren't, by mutual agreement and consent); that anything other than absolute monogamy is "cheating" (a very loaded word); and that the only committed relationships that "count" are marriages. 

Also, you really go to far with this: "ask just about anyone which bothers them more - the idea of their spouse or mate being physical with someone, or the idea of their spouse or mate becoming emotionally involved with someone, and the vast majority of them will say that the latter is far worse."

Actually for many people (especially those of us who are polyamorous), that statement is completely false. Wording it the way you did only serves to further marginalize people who prefer, and thrive in, consensual, committed relationships that  don't match the social norm.

Given the loaded setup you gave this poll, I really don't think tacking on the answer options "Not if they know and are ok with it" and 
"Maybe, it depends on the situation" do much to offset the way your setup feeds stereotypes and bigotry toward nonconventional relationships. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but it needed to be said.

Respectfully,

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve told you this privately, but I&#8217;m really disappointed that you decided to run this poll.</p>
<p>I cringe when I see polls like that, because of the assumptions they imply. First of all, that all marriages are necessarily monogamous (many aren&#8217;t, by mutual agreement and consent); that anything other than absolute monogamy is &#8220;cheating&#8221; (a very loaded word); and that the only committed relationships that &#8220;count&#8221; are marriages. </p>
<p>Also, you really go to far with this: &#8220;ask just about anyone which bothers them more - the idea of their spouse or mate being physical with someone, or the idea of their spouse or mate becoming emotionally involved with someone, and the vast majority of them will say that the latter is far worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually for many people (especially those of us who are polyamorous), that statement is completely false. Wording it the way you did only serves to further marginalize people who prefer, and thrive in, consensual, committed relationships that  don&#8217;t match the social norm.</p>
<p>Given the loaded setup you gave this poll, I really don&#8217;t think tacking on the answer options &#8220;Not if they know and are ok with it&#8221; and<br />
&#8220;Maybe, it depends on the situation&#8221; do much to offset the way your setup feeds stereotypes and bigotry toward nonconventional relationships. I&#8217;m sure that wasn&#8217;t your intention, but it needed to be said.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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