Comments on: Blue Frog “Do Not Spam” Email List Stolen and Spammed

By: UK-NL

UK-NL — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:56:37 +0000

Good story, thanks!

By: soheil

soheil — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:46:16 +0000

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By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 10 May 2006 22:53:08 +0000

I tried bluefrog for a few days after the latest version of mailwasher came with its functionality built in… and was suggested by the mailwasher people…

After 90% of spam I tried to report was refused by Bluefrog anyway… I gave up and stopped using it.

Since the spamming fiasco started I now get hundreds of spoofed bounces every day and have done for the last 4/5 days.

By: John

John — Wed, 10 May 2006 15:05:15 +0000

[quoted from Death to Spammers above]
—–snip—-
“Title 18 U.S.C. 1030(5)(A) states:

“through means of a computer used in interstate commerce or communications, knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command to a computer or computer system if:
(I) the person causing the transmission intends that such transmission will -
(I) damage, or cause damage to, a computer, computer system, network, information, data, or program; or
(II) withhold or deny, or cause the withholding or denial, of the use of a computer, computer services, systems or network, information, data or program.”

It can’t be any clearer than that. Blue Fog is using YOUR computer as part of their DDOS. It’s illegal.
—–snip—-

Dear Death to Spammers,

I can’t believe you use that nickname and still don’t understand how the Frog works.

But my point is, look at the last part of Title 18. That is exactly what the spammers are doing to me: “withhold or deny, or cause the withholding or denial, of the use of a computer, computer services, systems or network, information, data or program” - the program is my mail client… the spammers are denying me the use of my own inbox.

John

By: Forever Blue

Forever Blue — Mon, 08 May 2006 17:19:02 +0000

Blue Frog is Great! Let the spammers keep sending their spam. For each spam I recieve their sponsors or customers get an automatic opt-out request from me. How can that be considered a DOS attack?

If each installed frog sent out more than one opt-out per email, then yes it could be considered DoS, but if you read Blue Security’s website the automatic opt out is a last resort, and each spamsite is verified by a living person.

First the spammers sent out mass mailings, then they sent out fake spams from companies that they didn’t represent, and finally they are trying to blackmail us by sending out spams in the name of Blue Security itself.

Each one of these tactics has failed, and each one of those fake spams costs the spammers money.

I doubt very much that spam will ever be eliminated, but if Blue Security can make it costly for these bastards to operate, then so be it. If it is declared that what Blue Security is doing is illegal, then I would count myself one of their partners in crime.

I have actually signed up for a few more email addresses hoping to get more spam, which will make it that much more costly for the spammers.

Blue Frog is the first tool available to people that lets them strike back at the spammers where they hurt. The fact that this russian spammer started this ’spamwar’ is proof of that.

By: nuts2u

nuts2u — Mon, 08 May 2006 04:59:19 +0000

Hey know1, if you’re already getting spammed why not download the blue frog again (but only from blue security) and join all the rest of us in fighting those morons? They are the real enemies and lawbreakers. Let’s all get together and put them out of their misery like shooting a horse with a broken leg!

By: William Du

William Du — Sun, 07 May 2006 11:20:40 +0000

This is a most fascinating article. When I originally reviewed Blue Frog for a technical article I was preparing I was doubtful whether it was a viable solution so I rejected it. Now however, it is clear to me, and many others too, that the spammers are squealing simply because they have been really hurt. So hurt and angry that they have actually emailed people telling them that they will increase their spam!! Admitting that spam will increase unless a person unsubscibes from Blue Frog is less than sensible and I suspect that they will live to regret this mistake. I shall now lend my support to Blue Frog.

By: know1

know1 — Sun, 07 May 2006 06:33:36 +0000

I installed BlueFrog AntiSpam as I found it at addons.mozilla.org —as an extension to my Firefox browser. Had NO CLUE about all this behind-the-scenes warfare or that I’d be part of it. I removed BlueFrog just 2 wks after installing as I found it to be a CPU & RAM hog. But a few days ago, I rec’d an email to my primary Gmail acct stating BlueFrog is a SCAM all of it’s own.. That it’s not located in the USA but is run by “a couple of Russian Jews with offices in Tel-Aviv” (quote). It went on to add that in exactly 2 days I’d be receiving spam unlike I’d ever seen before.

AND THE SPAM CAME!! And the same date & mass quantities as they warned. Who were the sender of the warning email? Maybe I should’ve saved it? But I didn’t. Didn’t know what to believe.

I was just relieved that I’d removed BlueFrog months ago. Now I’m seeing BlueFrogSetup.exe in several places in my PC—apparently that was Not a clean uninstall. Wonder if these entries are putting my machine in a compromising position???

What seemed like a revolutionary GREAT IDEA then leaves me feeling far from great right now. And being hit with appx 100 spams-a-day is only part of it. Also wondering if the same involvement will ‘infect’ my other email addresses as BlueFrog was “protecting” multiple Gmail’s AND Yahoo mail. What a mess! Anything at all I can do at this point? Thank you for listening.

By: Verity

Verity — Fri, 05 May 2006 20:31:40 +0000

To “Death to Spammers”, no, it is NOT illegal to send opt-outs to spammers. If they provided legitimate opt-out links as required by law and complied with those requests, they wouldn’t be sent anything by Blue Frog. It is everyone’s legal right to request being removed from a spammer’s list, and to respond in that manner to every single piece of spam that is sent. Your login name is obviously a farce, and your legal skills could use some brushing up.

By: Death to Spammers

Death to Spammers — Fri, 05 May 2006 19:55:53 +0000

What the hell is wrong with all of you Blue Frog lemmings? Don’t you CARE that you are doing something ILLEGAL?

If a telemarketer calls you, over and over, even if it’s collect and they somehow force you to accept the charges, you are not allowed to go to their home or office and trash the place. You are not allowed to go to their home or office and throw a “take me off your list” note through their window. It doesn’t matter if you throw only one note per call you’ve received. And if you do it as part of a mob, each throwing one note per call through their window, and you damage their house, or make it impossible for others to get in or out of the building, guess what? You have broken the law.

Now in the case of Blue Fog, you bet that what you are taking part in is a DDOS, and you bet that IT IS ILLEGAL!

Here is the Federal law making it illegal:

“Title 18 U.S.C. 1030(5)(A) states:

It can’t be any clearer than that. Blue Fog is using YOUR computer as part of their DDOS. It’s illegal.

And guess what. Blue Fog doesn’t give a fuck that they are having you break the law because THEY are sitting in Israel where they can’t be touched, with a great wodge of VC cash, laughing all the way to the bank.